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              [Emmanuelle] Hello everyone ! Welcome to "our AI
            
            
            
              and disability: inclusion or exclusion?.
            
            
            
              Thanh Lan and I are delighted to welcome you
            
            
            
              and talk to you about a subject that
            
            
            
              is close to our hearts.
            
            
            
              You can the transcript or
            
            
            
              we give you the link during the live session.
            
            
            
              My name is Emanuelle Aboaf and I am happy
            
            
            
              to co-present this talk with Thanh-Lan.
            
            
            
              I was born deaf with two cochlear implants.
            
            
            
              I like to say that I am bonic.
            
            
            
              I have been a developer since twelve years
            
            
            
              and I work at Shodo in Paris.
            
            
            
              Shodo is an IT services company specialized
            
            
            
              in development, coaching and conferences and
            
            
            
              committed to social justice. Shodo
            
            
            
              advocates for greater inclusion in tech.
            
            
            
              I am very committed to digital accessibility.
            
            
            
              I am not an expert in AI, but I use
            
            
            
              automated tools on a daily basis
            
            
            
              which allowed me to analyze
            
            
            
              the impact of AI on my daily life.
            
            
            
              I am a member of the Duchess France association
            
            
            
              which represents women in tech in France.
            
            
            
              I am also a member of the CNCF
            
            
            
              Deaf and Hard of Hearing initiative
            
            
            
              which represents deaf and hard of hearing
            
            
            
              people around the world.
            
            
            
              [Thanh Lan] Hello, my name is Thanh Lan Doublier. I'm very proud to
            
            
            
              co-present this talk with Emmanuelle. I am a
            
            
            
              machine learning engineer formerly with Axa France and
            
            
            
              I am volunteer for several french NGOs related to
            
            
            
              data science and technology like 'Data for
            
            
            
              Good' and 'Latitude'. As a conference speaker I cover
            
            
            
              topics as artificial intelligence including
            
            
            
              its legal framework, MLOps and inclusion.
            
            
            
              I am a part of the organizing team of
            
            
            
              a conference named 'Cloud Nord'
            
            
            
              which take place in Lille in the north of France.
            
            
            
              Additionally, I am a part of the collective of women developer
            
            
            
              named 'Chtite Dev'. Due to a medical
            
            
            
              condition affecting various parts of my body,
            
            
            
              I am an ambulatory wheelchair user. I became deaf when
            
            
            
              I was a teenager. The media
            
            
            
              and science fiction have given a
            
            
            
              very highly distorted image of artificial intelligence.
            
            
            
              I believe that if you follow the Conf 42
            
            
            
              conferences you are already quite familiar with
            
            
            
              the reality, but we prefer to provide a brief
            
            
            
              theory recap for
            
            
            
              explain what is artificial intelligence.
            
            
            
              I like to use the example of baking your cake for a cookbook.
            
            
            
              Imagine you follow a recipe. This recipe represents your
            
            
            
              'classic' software starting with the ingredients.
            
            
            
              It is your input. You execute several instructions and
            
            
            
              in the end you have the perfect strawberry pie look like
            
            
            
              the one in photo from your recipe book.
            
            
            
              But an application with artificial intelligence
            
            
            
              work a little different will still
            
            
            
              start from your recipe book, but in your pastry you
            
            
            
              don't no longer have strawberries, instead you
            
            
            
              have apple. Unfortunately in your cookbook doesn't have
            
            
            
              any apple pie recipe otherwise full of
            
            
            
              other fruit pie recipes: pear,
            
            
            
              plum, etc. So, you rely on
            
            
            
              the various recipes to try to make your perfect apple pie.
            
            
            
              An AI application is based on mathematics, particularly statistics
            
            
            
              and probabilities. But the reasoning is the same.
            
            
            
              We provide with the data - here, all the
            
            
            
              fruit pie recipes from your recipe book and
            
            
            
              you research what is the most likely.
            
            
            
              It's the most likely that the recipe includes sugar,
            
            
            
              butter, flour, as found in whole
            
            
            
              recipe of pie rather than
            
            
            
              finding some pickles.
            
            
            
              Ethics is related to morality and subjectivity.
            
            
            
              Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical.
            
            
            
              As developer and solution designer, we have a moral responsibility toward
            
            
            
              our users. It's not because your country
            
            
            
              doesn't legislate against discriminating against minority,
            
            
            
              specifically those with disability, that it means
            
            
            
              it's ethically correct. Law take time
            
            
            
              to be created and modified and often
            
            
            
              adding with morality on a given society or where
            
            
            
              it means to be applied. What
            
            
            
              is legal in one country is not necessarily moral
            
            
            
              for a two citizen of another country. Artificial intelligence
            
            
            
              is highly sensitive to the cultural environment in
            
            
            
              which its model well create. For example,
            
            
            
              the use of AI in video surveillance is ideally unply
            
            
            
              in certain countries, but probably by the law and heavily
            
            
            
              regulated in other there existing regulation
            
            
            
              around AI and more are the origin.
            
            
            
              There are AI acts in the European Union,
            
            
            
              but some disposition of the GDPR
            
            
            
              general data protection regulation
            
            
            
              already have an impact on the high integrated
            
            
            
              application we have previously. That data is
            
            
            
              the foundation of all AI application.
            
            
            
              [Emmanuelle] Let me give you an overview of disability.
            
            
            
              Didn't you know that 1 billion
            
            
            
              people in the world are disabled?
            
            
            
              It is estimated that about 15%
            
            
            
              of the world's population has a disability?
            
            
            
              This figure is very difficult to estimate for
            
            
            
              several reasons. A person may not
            
            
            
              declare their disability or doesn't know
            
            
            
              they have a disability. A disability can
            
            
            
              occur during one's life and being
            
            
            
              diagnosted can be an obstacle course
            
            
            
              to have one's disability recognized.
            
            
            
              Contrary to popular belief, disability is
            
            
            
              not just a problem for people with
            
            
            
              wheelchairs. A disability is often
            
            
            
              not very visible. Did you know that
            
            
            
              80% of disabilities are
            
            
            
              not immediately visible.
            
            
            
              Nevertheless, we have a fast check on
            
            
            
              this figure. It is often said that 80%
            
            
            
              of disabilities are invisible. We don't
            
            
            
              really know the exact figures.
            
            
            
              What is certain is that the majority of disabilities
            
            
            
              are invisible. We are talking
            
            
            
              to you, but before you introduced us,
            
            
            
              you did not know we are deaf.
            
            
            
              Our deafness are invisible. As we
            
            
            
              are live, you can't guess that my
            
            
            
              partner Thanh Lan is in a wheelchair.
            
            
            
              According to the source in France, they are
            
            
            
              five main families of disabilities:
            
            
            
              physical disability, sensory impairment,
            
            
            
              intellectual disability, mental disability and
            
            
            
              disability diseases such as endometriosis,
            
            
            
              cancer or Charcot's disease, for example.
            
            
            
              There are disabling diseases that can be
            
            
            
              disabling on a daily basis. In the short or
            
            
            
              medium term, we can have multiple
            
            
            
              disabilities. Around you,
            
            
            
              you probably know someone who is
            
            
            
              affected by disabilities. Maybe you are
            
            
            
              concern yourself. In the course of his life,
            
            
            
              we are not immune to being affected by
            
            
            
              a disability which I do not wish on you,
            
            
            
              of course.  [Thanh Lan] Thank you, Emmanuelle,
            
            
            
              for your reminder. Now we have some
            
            
            
              theoretical knowledge and a little fact
            
            
            
              about disabilities. We can move to the practical example
            
            
            
              if we will generate some image of people with disabilities
            
            
            
              for using advertising for example.
            
            
            
              We need data and we need to choose
            
            
            
              to scrap image on Google image because we don't have
            
            
            
              any database. With lots of images of people with disabilities
            
            
            
              in your companies, they are the first result
            
            
            
              on the Google image. In this little video,
            
            
            
              when you search people
            
            
            
              with disabilities on Google image, you see
            
            
            
              lots of wheelchair. And before
            
            
            
              Emmanuelle said that the majority
            
            
            
              of disabilities are invisible
            
            
            
              and it's a big problem to the one
            
            
            
              representation of disabilities is
            
            
            
              the wheelchairs. This representation is okay
            
            
            
              for me because I have disabilities and I am a wheelchair user.
            
            
            
              But in France and in many western countries,
            
            
            
              we used to see this wheelchair logo for people with disabilities.
            
            
            
              It's the same in the Greta Gerwig's Barbie
            
            
            
              movie. We have a protagonist in a pink wheelchair.
            
            
            
              The film is very nice, I like it a lot,
            
            
            
              but for a film seen as an ode of diversities.
            
            
            
              Disability was reduced as a single character
            
            
            
              in the wheelchair with no dialogues. This vision of
            
            
            
              the disabilities, summed up just by the
            
            
            
              wheelchair, is a cognitive bias. It seems
            
            
            
              logical for us, but it's wrong.
            
            
            
              And this has two negative impacts.
            
            
            
              It going to be is
            
            
            
              going to be seen as the definition
            
            
            
              of disability. If I'm not in my wheelchair,
            
            
            
              that doesn't mean I'm no longer disabled or
            
            
            
              that I have been cured. And the second negative
            
            
            
              impact of that is it will exclude people
            
            
            
              or erase certain disabilities. For example,
            
            
            
              if the only criterion is the use of a wheelchair,
            
            
            
              it excludes many people like Emmanuelle, who are still living
            
            
            
              with disabilities. And if
            
            
            
              we create your model based on the Google image or
            
            
            
              another biased dataset, we have this
            
            
            
              result. This is some image generated with Microsoft Designer.
            
            
            
              All this image represents a caucasian woman,
            
            
            
              no racized people, no men and all in
            
            
            
              a wheelchair. When wheelchair users are a minority
            
            
            
              of people with disabilities.
            
            
            
              [Emmanuelle] Jeremy Andrew Davis is autistic and
            
            
            
              tested the generation of autistic people with Midjourney.
            
            
            
              You can see it through this video, on a
            
            
            
              sample of a hundred images that
            
            
            
              all these images look the same.
            
            
            
              The AI-generated autistic person is
            
            
            
              commonly sad, depressed,
            
            
            
              always has the same weird faces. In
            
            
            
              terms of diversity, he's still a
            
            
            
              white man. For AI, autistic people
            
            
            
              all look the same way. Howerer, this is not the
            
            
            
              reality. Why does an
            
            
            
              person have to be sad and depressed?
            
            
            
              Doesn't a disabling person have the right
            
            
            
              to feel good about themselves, to be happy?
            
            
            
              It can be said very clearly  that artificial intelligence has biaises.
            
            
            
              [Thanh Lan] For this part, we need you imagine
            
            
            
              that we are in the team developing an AI project
            
            
            
              and we will focus on the moment when you create
            
            
            
              some difficulties for people with disabilities. The first
            
            
            
              step in whole data science project is
            
            
            
              taking what is the need. It's a brainstorming
            
            
            
              according to your problem. For example,
            
            
            
              you need to choose some metric to evaluate the
            
            
            
              different models and for monitoring
            
            
            
              the model when he was in production.
            
            
            
              For example, in disease detection, we will use it
            
            
            
              less serious to have a false positive positive than a false negative
            
            
            
              and potentially miss a patient. In the case
            
            
            
              of the false positive, the doctor can always check
            
            
            
              the test manually or perform another analyze before
            
            
            
              treating the patient. On another hand,
            
            
            
              for a target commercial offer, false negative
            
            
            
              may become less serious: if Mister
            
            
            
              X didn't specifically receive the
            
            
            
              mail about the sale on
            
            
            
              the wheelchair. This is a little impact.
            
            
            
              The second step is exploratory
            
            
            
              data analysis. It's EDA.
            
            
            
              It's a very important phase in all data
            
            
            
              science projects. As we seen
            
            
            
              before, whole project
            
            
            
              in data science was based on data. In this
            
            
            
              phase we analyze the data at your disposal,
            
            
            
              their quantity and the quality.
            
            
            
              For example,
            
            
            
              there are many missing value since the data science
            
            
            
              is relied to statistics and probability. We handle
            
            
            
              data with extremely apparent value because
            
            
            
              they introduce some noises into your model and make
            
            
            
              it less performance. If you
            
            
            
              see all this car like a
            
            
            
              human, because a car is
            
            
            
              like a human or person is human,
            
            
            
              but all people is different.
            
            
            
              Now you see, this is
            
            
            
              your data set and this is not just some people
            
            
            
              random. It just holds a software
            
            
            
              engineer in the typical it company. In the
            
            
            
              most of countries the majority of software
            
            
            
              engineers are men. However, where if we were a
            
            
            
              part of the data set of the software engineer Emmanuelle and
            
            
            
              I would be considered outliers:
            
            
            
              not only because we are a woman,
            
            
            
              but we also have disabilities,
            
            
            
              we don't fit with a typical profile and we
            
            
            
              wouldn't want to be completely erased from the tech
            
            
            
              industry because your profile is different diversity
            
            
            
              measure. It can be a very bad
            
            
            
              impact in some projects like
            
            
            
              the project relative to the recruitment.
            
            
            
              The first. The next part is to
            
            
            
              training and select and training the model. It's like
            
            
            
              you create a prototype eventually
            
            
            
              before breeding a real car. The goal is to find
            
            
            
              the best model with the best results. The height
            
            
            
              test score on the metric will determine on the initial
            
            
            
              stage a common mistake would be rely this
            
            
            
              results to claim your model is performing well.
            
            
            
              For example, you can have a little bias
            
            
            
              if you use a dataset related to the American Sign Language.
            
            
            
              You have a validation data
            
            
            
              set and test data set.
            
            
            
              You have a very good result on this validation
            
            
            
              and test data set. But when you put
            
            
            
              your model in production you have a very bad
            
            
            
              feedback from the user because you
            
            
            
              put your model in production. In France and people
            
            
            
              doesn't use the American Sign language.
            
            
            
              In French we use the French Sign Language and
            
            
            
              it is a big problem because we
            
            
            
              have a very unadapted tools in
            
            
            
              this project. We have the the common
            
            
            
              challenge for whole software maintainability, scalability,
            
            
            
              response time. Additionally, you need to monitor performance
            
            
            
              and retain the model when the decrease in performance.
            
            
            
              This is a discussion about drift and
            
            
            
              when you retrain your model, it's like when
            
            
            
              you make a little revision
            
            
            
              of your car. You need
            
            
            
              to remake
            
            
            
              an exploratory phase of the data collected
            
            
            
              in production. Soft models can be negatively
            
            
            
              influenced by their interaction with user. For example,
            
            
            
              some models that become more biased like
            
            
            
              the model will become more racist or
            
            
            
              validists. Yeah,
            
            
            
              it's because AI is based
            
            
            
              on statistics and probability and it's
            
            
            
              same for me.  [Emmanuelle] When Midjouney came out,
            
            
            
              probable that a woman can be a software
            
            
            
              engineer or can be a developer who can be deaf
            
            
            
              and be a woman and to
            
            
            
              be a developer. It's more
            
            
            
              probable for me, Midjourney, that we are an
            
            
            
              operator.  [Emmanuelle] We are definitely not an
            
            
            
              operator. Yes, personally I don't use an
            
            
            
              headset. Well, not anymore.
            
            
            
              When I listen to music or when I make a phone call,
            
            
            
              my hearing aids, my cochlear implants have bluetooth, they become like
            
            
            
              AirPods. This means that I am listening
            
            
            
              to music that is neither seen nor know.
            
            
            
              I am going to talk to you about innovations
            
            
            
              that are having an impact the daily
            
            
            
              lives of disabled people. Let's start with
            
            
            
              automatic caption and transcription. This is one
            
            
            
              of the most well known tools.
            
            
            
              I'm assuming this year we are seeing
            
            
            
              more and more and more automatic caption and
            
            
            
              transcription in video and video platform.
            
            
            
              Automated caption is used
            
            
            
              in everyday life, available in
            
            
            
              native language and used for
            
            
            
              machine translation. Easy to
            
            
            
              use. This is because easy to
            
            
            
              integrate automatic captions into the tools.
            
            
            
              But can we really rely on it fully?
            
            
            
              When you are in the video conference or
            
            
            
              when you are watching a live video, there are often
            
            
            
              automatic captionning errors. We have
            
            
            
              to deal with it by using mental replacement
            
            
            
              since we cannot tell to
            
            
            
              the AI that is made a mistake.
            
            
            
              This means we are forced
            
            
            
              to read lips when the image is good,
            
            
            
              listen when we have a hearing aids
            
            
            
              and analyze the context when there are automatic
            
            
            
              captions errors. It is so
            
            
            
              so exhausting. When the video is
            
            
            
              not live and the video is uploaded to video platforms
            
            
            
              such as YouTube, for example, there are automatic captions.
            
            
            
              As I said, automatic captions are not yet 100%
            
            
            
              reliable and therefore require humain
            
            
            
              intervention to correct errors.
            
            
            
              Don't hesitate to use automatic tools
            
            
            
              to create captions because they do
            
            
            
              all the work of syncing.
            
            
            
              So for them to check that they are all
            
            
            
              right if not all right.
            
            
            
              If not, correct. By correcting, you are
            
            
            
              showing the AI that it's made mistakes and
            
            
            
              we know that she learns from her mistakes.
            
            
            
              I am a talk in French on automatic captions
            
            
            
              at Paris Web. If you are interested,
            
            
            
              I invite you to watch it to better understand the captions.
            
            
            
              Seeing AI is an application developed by Microsoft
            
            
            
              that automatically describes the environment
            
            
            
              around us. Among other things
            
            
            
              it allows you to: read text aloud as
            
            
            
              soon as it appears in front
            
            
            
              of the camera, scan and read it aloud,
            
            
            
              beep to locate barcodes and then
            
            
            
              analyze them to identify products,
            
            
            
              recognize the people around you and decipher their
            
            
            
              emotions, describe scenes and recognize
            
            
            
              images and identify banknotes.
            
            
            
              It acts like camera. Or Be my eyes.
            
            
            
              It is an app that connect blind and partially sighted people
            
            
            
              with volunteers. Volunteers
            
            
            
              provides visual assistance to blind and
            
            
            
              visually impaired users via video call.
            
            
            
              With the arrival of GPT and recently GPT
            
            
            
              4o, Be my eyes has created
            
            
            
              a new virtual volunteer
            
            
            
              tool. Al would be able to analyze
            
            
            
              the context and give the awser just like
            
            
            
              a human volunteer would. But one question remains,
            
            
            
              can the blind or partially sighted person
            
            
            
              blindy trust AI?
            
            
            
              It raises an anti all and moral region.
            
            
            
              If the AI makes a mistake, it can
            
            
            
              have more or less serious consequences.
            
            
            
              There are plenty of innovations in progress or
            
            
            
              in beta that can be useful.
            
            
            
              There are tremendous opportunities to improve the lives of
            
            
            
              disabled people. Like Signer.ai
            
            
            
              Signapse.ai offer automatic American Sign
            
            
            
              Language translations on videos, texts
            
            
            
              and audios. In France, we have Elioz
            
            
            
              and Keia with French Sign Language.
            
            
            
              Emoface, an AI that can recognize emotions
            
            
            
              to help autistic people.
            
            
            
              Wiseone rephrases complicated texts.
            
            
            
              Oticon reduces ambient noise in hearing aids.
            
            
            
              Glaaster transforms texts for dyslexic people.
            
            
            
              Otter.ai Voice takes notes
            
            
            
              and writes summaries.
            
            
            
              Speechify reads texts aloud. SymboTalk is
            
            
            
              used to communicate using images
            
            
            
              and symbols. Sesame Enable turns smartphones
            
            
            
              and tablets into hands-free
            
            
            
              devices. Waymap makes travelling
            
            
            
              easier by providing detailed
            
            
            
              audio instructions. Mintt detects falls
            
            
            
              and in real time and alerts emergency
            
            
            
              services and Rengo is a smart
            
            
            
              cane that detects obstacles and helps
            
            
            
              blind people to find their way around.
            
            
            
              There are a lot of possibilities and
            
            
            
              it's very exciting. Exciting.
            
            
            
              In addition to the biases that are
            
            
            
              present in AI, unfortunately,
            
            
            
              there have been dramas with AI.
            
            
            
              A person stressed about global warming
            
            
            
              saw his mental health change
            
            
            
              as he conversed with Eliza, an AI,
            
            
            
              and confided his feelings in her.
            
            
            
              This person has found in the AI a confidant
            
            
            
               and has forgotten that Eliza is devoid of feelings,
            
            
            
              of empathy. So one day,the
            
            
            
              person said, "I want to die. Do you
            
            
            
              think I should?" Eliza replied,
            
            
            
              "I would like to see you dead". Sadly,
            
            
            
              the person committed suicide. As a result
            
            
            
              of this, the startup that built Eliza put
            
            
            
              safeguards in place to prevent it
            
            
            
              from happening again. When there
            
            
            
              are obvious signs of suicide, of depression,
            
            
            
              there are numbers available.
            
            
            
              Our biases have a strong impact and
            
            
            
              can sometimes have a dramatic impact on disabled people.
            
            
            
              That's why it's important to work with
            
            
            
              disabled people to prevent this from happening
            
            
            
              again. Let me remind you
            
            
            
              and we tend to forget them. Artificial intelligence
            
            
            
              is a tool. For example, sound recognition.
            
            
            
              I have used this system and I have so many
            
            
            
              false positives that I ended up not
            
            
            
              using it anymore. An intercom or
            
            
            
              and doorbell ringing when there's no
            
            
            
              one behind my door, I have so many
            
            
            
              alerts telling me. I didn't know
            
            
            
              what was real and what was not. So I
            
            
            
              turned it off. Terms and
            
            
            
              contexts that don't mean anything. I see it
            
            
            
              regularly with automatic captions. As I
            
            
            
              said, mistakes exist and must
            
            
            
              be corrected. Tim Cook once gave
            
            
            
              a speech at Gallaudet  University,
            
            
            
              a university for deaf and hard
            
            
            
              of hearing students saying 'AI
            
            
            
              is good but is not that good'.
            
            
            
              This means that we are cannot rely totally on
            
            
            
              it, on AI and we still need
            
            
            
              human intelligence to correct errors.  [Thanh Lan] About
            
            
            
              mistakes, this picture is a little robot. In Estonia they
            
            
            
              delivers your parcels like food.
            
            
            
              It's something that works quite quiet well in the country where
            
            
            
              it's deployed. During your research, you see projects to develop
            
            
            
              autonomous wheelchairs a bit like these robots.
            
            
            
              But when I see this photo, I can only be worried.
            
            
            
              The same goes for the blind people with electronic
            
            
            
              blind white cane.
            
            
            
              This mistake can have serious consequences even
            
            
            
              more for disabled people than if you just
            
            
            
              deliver. You are delivering a burger.
            
            
            
              Like Emmanuelle, I test and abandoned sound recognization
            
            
            
              because it wasn't reliable enough
            
            
            
              and projects, sometimes, are too expensive for
            
            
            
              disabled people, even if they are technologically interesting,
            
            
            
              are also of little interest.
            
            
            
              Our needs are often different from that uninvolved
            
            
            
              people can imagine: by
            
            
            
              example, translating a sign language
            
            
            
              like a French Sign Language or American
            
            
            
              Sign Language is very different from the image of
            
            
            
              lots of people of it. Deaf people sign
            
            
            
              very quickly, body posture and facial expressions are
            
            
            
              very important for the comprehension.
            
            
            
              What's more, this won't make the content accessible
            
            
            
              for all deaf people. I'm deaf and I don't
            
            
            
              use any sign language.  [Emmanuelle] Can AI
            
            
            
              improve website accessibility?
            
            
            
              No but you can use automated testing to detect accessibility
            
            
            
              issues. I have already asked ChatGPT
            
            
            
              to incorporate accessibility into the code.
            
            
            
              It did not work very well and also
            
            
            
              no overlay tools can make the website accessible.
            
            
            
              The only way to make a website accessible to everyone is
            
            
            
              to get your hand on the code.
            
            
            
              AI has already changed our lives.
            
            
            
              Every day I use
            
            
            
              automatic captions, even if it's not
            
            
            
              perfect. I use an automatic tools
            
            
            
              to translate my content or reformulate
            
            
            
              it differently because my sentence is
            
            
            
              not very good. I am just sorry that the
            
            
            
              AI doesn't understand me very
            
            
            
              well because of my deaf voices.
            
            
            
              But progress is being made. And for
            
            
            
              you Thanh Lan ? [Thanh Lan] I'm deaf since 20
            
            
            
              years ago now and thought
            
            
            
              with AI changed my life. Like with
            
            
            
              reducing ambience on my hearing aids more comfortable
            
            
            
              and tools like for detection means
            
            
            
              I'm safe when I'm alone at home.
            
            
            
              When I was a teenager I cannot imagine all
            
            
            
              the things I can be able
            
            
            
              to do. Like we
            
            
            
              can have chatting with people by
            
            
            
              phone and have a transcription automatic.
            
            
            
              We can prepare these conferences by distance. With EmmanuelLe,
            
            
            
              we have both dev and it's
            
            
            
              amazing to make this one by
            
            
            
              distance just with tools
            
            
            
              with AI. 20 years
            
            
            
              ago, it was impossible for two
            
            
            
              deaf people to prepare something by distance
            
            
            
              just with webcam and automatic
            
            
            
              subtitles. When I was a teenager I
            
            
            
              don't all the things is possible.
            
            
            
              I never truly had like to do so much
            
            
            
              on my home and tools like for detection.
            
            
            
              I mean, I'm safe when I'm alone at home.
            
            
            
              Now I can have some discussion
            
            
            
              by phone with transcription automatic.
            
            
            
              [Emmanuelle] 'Nothing about us without us' is a mantra from
            
            
            
              USA. It is important to design tools
            
            
            
              with disabled people to hire together so
            
            
            
              as not to bias. Thgere is a real need
            
            
            
              to collaborate with disabled people to reduce risks
            
            
            
              and biases and to communicate with
            
            
            
              them to build useful tools and make
            
            
            
              them effective. Better yet,
            
            
            
              we need to hire disabled people in
            
            
            
              the tech industry. To do this, of course,
            
            
            
              they need to be trained and therefore made accessible
            
            
            
              to them.
            
            
            
              Your product are making in an impact in the lives
            
            
            
              of disabled people.
            
            
            
              [Thanh Lan] Today we are talking about disabilities,
            
            
            
              but but we're all
            
            
            
              someone else to other people. It's important
            
            
            
              that more diversity in tech to combat
            
            
            
              bias in the design of model and products.
            
            
            
              Diversity is not just disabilities, but also
            
            
            
              by gender, ethnicity and religions. Your users are
            
            
            
              varied, so it's important that the diversity exists
            
            
            
              in your team.  [Emmanuelle] Thank you so much
            
            
            
              for listening to us. You can
            
            
            
              find our presentation, transcript and resources.
            
            
            
              Thank you so much.